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		<title>By: Dominus</title>
		<link>http://dadominion.com/blog/2008/12/02/for-nerds-about-nerds/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very true. I alluded to this very point in my last article on Heroes, invites then punishes immersion off and on to make a plot "work". I read it as wanting to appeal to a niche highly intellectual audience yet being afraid of making it too "hard" for the majority of their viewers.  

One of the things I enjoy about Beauty and the Geek is it's balanced portrayal of the faults between the awkward nerds and the dumb-as-ditch-water beauties.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('370','Dominus'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('370','Dominus','Very true. I alluded to this very point in my last article on Heroes, invites then punishes immersion off and on to make a plot \&#34;work\&#34;. I read it as wanting to appeal to a niche highly intellectual audience yet being afraid of making it too \&#34;hard\&#34; for the majority of their viewers.  \r\n\r\nOne of the things I enjoy about Beauty and the Geek is it\'s balanced portrayal of the faults between the awkward nerds and the dumb-as-ditch-water beauties.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true. I alluded to this very point in my last article on Heroes, invites then punishes immersion off and on to make a plot &#8220;work&#8221;. I read it as wanting to appeal to a niche highly intellectual audience yet being afraid of making it too &#8220;hard&#8221; for the majority of their viewers.  </p>
<p>One of the things I enjoy about Beauty and the Geek is it&#8217;s balanced portrayal of the faults between the awkward nerds and the dumb-as-ditch-water beauties.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('370','Dominus'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('370','Dominus','Very true. I alluded to this very point in my last article on Heroes, invites then punishes immersion off and on to make a plot \&quot;work\&quot;. I read it as wanting to appeal to a niche highly intellectual audience yet being afraid of making it too \&quot;hard\&quot; for the majority of their viewers.  \r\n\r\nOne of the things I enjoy about Beauty and the Geek is it\'s balanced portrayal of the faults between the awkward nerds and the dumb-as-ditch-water beauties.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Noble Bear</title>
		<link>http://dadominion.com/blog/2008/12/02/for-nerds-about-nerds/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Noble Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]I see your point about Heroes and Chuck. To me, the former showcases the interest of geek fascination portrayed dramatically, with a geek protagonist in the form of Hiro. Chuck is showing geek archtypes as part of itâ€™s humor component. Laughing at us still. Iâ€™m sure itâ€™s no coincidence one leads into the other.[/quote]

Yes, that's a big part of it. One other thing I will add is that geeks value immersion and as pointed out in Fear the Boot ep 125 (where I introduce the best card game ever ;) )immersion is often made or broken in the details. For example, NBC is something of a cruel mistress in this regards; setting us up to accept the wildly impossible then casting our suspension of disbelief on the rocky crags with insipid, plot advancing inaccuracies.    

Makes immersion:
seemingly ordinary indiiduals have thier lives impacted by the emergance of metahuman abilities (Heroes)

Breaks immersion:
A macentosh G4 tower is dropped from a shelf roughly three feet off the ground, becomes irrevicably damaged (Chuck) 

Makes immersion:
A vehicle produced by a major manufacturing company in a time of economic downturn, modified by a homland organization at a time when defense spending is hemorraging have together created a car that can dynamically alter its exterior and interior dimentions while human subjcts with in it are entirely unharmed. (Knight Rider)

Breaks immersion:
Within one episode a cop who has missed out on the last ten years of technological innovations *correctly* concludes that he can shut down an entire computer network  by pouring coffie on a keyboard; on another occation enlists the help of an in-house geek (who's stated geek cred is that he still lives with his parents) to help him extract a code hidden in *level 10* of a PS2 copy of Prince of Persia: Sands of Time. (Life)

I wish I were making that last one up.

What I see all of this adding up to is while there may in fact be a genuine desire on the part of networks to branch out more and be more geek friendly; ultimately, they do so with all the insight and awareness of your average well intentioned grandmother. Yes, she loves you and has you in mind, but its still a hand knit reindeer wool sweater.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('365','Noble Bear'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('365','Noble Bear','&#38;#91;quote&#38;#93;I see your point about Heroes and Chuck. To me, the former showcases the interest of geek fascination portrayed dramatically, with a geek protagonist in the form of Hiro. Chuck is showing geek archtypes as part of it&#226;€™s humor component. Laughing at us still. I&#226;€™m sure it&#226;€™s no coincidence one leads into the other.&#38;#91;\/quote&#38;#93;\r\n\r\nYes, that\'s a big part of it. One other thing I will add is that geeks value immersion and as pointed out in Fear the Boot ep 125 (where I introduce the best card game ever ;) )immersion is often made or broken in the details. For example, NBC is something of a cruel mistress in this regards; setting us up to accept the wildly impossible then casting our suspension of disbelief on the rocky crags with insipid, plot advancing inaccuracies.    \r\n\r\nMakes immersion:\r\nseemingly ordinary indiiduals have thier lives impacted by the emergance of metahuman abilities (Heroes)\r\n\r\nBreaks immersion:\r\nA macentosh G4 tower is dropped from a shelf roughly three feet off the ground, becomes irrevicably damaged (Chuck) \r\n\r\nMakes immersion:\r\nA vehicle produced by a major manufacturing company in a time of economic downturn, modified by a homland organization at a time when defense spending is hemorraging have together created a car that can dynamically alter its exterior and interior dimentions while human subjcts with in it are entirely unharmed. (Knight Rider)\r\n\r\nBreaks immersion:\r\nWithin one episode a cop who has missed out on the last ten years of technological innovations *correctly* concludes that he can shut down an entire computer network  by pouring coffie on a keyboard; on another occation enlists the help of an in-house geek (who\'s stated geek cred is that he still lives with his parents) to help him extract a code hidden in *level 10* of a PS2 copy of Prince of Persia: Sands of Time. (Life)\r\n\r\nI wish I were making that last one up.\r\n\r\nWhat I see all of this adding up to is while there may in fact be a genuine desire on the part of networks to branch out more and be more geek friendly; ultimately, they do so with all the insight and awareness of your average well intentioned grandmother. Yes, she loves you and has you in mind, but its still a hand knit reindeer wool sweater.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]I see your point about Heroes and Chuck. To me, the former showcases the interest of geek fascination portrayed dramatically, with a geek protagonist in the form of Hiro. Chuck is showing geek archtypes as part of itâ€™s humor component. Laughing at us still. Iâ€™m sure itâ€™s no coincidence one leads into the other.[/quote]</p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s a big part of it. One other thing I will add is that geeks value immersion and as pointed out in Fear the Boot ep 125 (where I introduce the best card game ever <img src='http://dadominion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )immersion is often made or broken in the details. For example, NBC is something of a cruel mistress in this regards; setting us up to accept the wildly impossible then casting our suspension of disbelief on the rocky crags with insipid, plot advancing inaccuracies.    </p>
<p>Makes immersion:<br />
seemingly ordinary indiiduals have thier lives impacted by the emergance of metahuman abilities (Heroes)</p>
<p>Breaks immersion:<br />
A macentosh G4 tower is dropped from a shelf roughly three feet off the ground, becomes irrevicably damaged (Chuck) </p>
<p>Makes immersion:<br />
A vehicle produced by a major manufacturing company in a time of economic downturn, modified by a homland organization at a time when defense spending is hemorraging have together created a car that can dynamically alter its exterior and interior dimentions while human subjcts with in it are entirely unharmed. (Knight Rider)</p>
<p>Breaks immersion:<br />
Within one episode a cop who has missed out on the last ten years of technological innovations *correctly* concludes that he can shut down an entire computer network  by pouring coffie on a keyboard; on another occation enlists the help of an in-house geek (who&#8217;s stated geek cred is that he still lives with his parents) to help him extract a code hidden in *level 10* of a PS2 copy of Prince of Persia: Sands of Time. (Life)</p>
<p>I wish I were making that last one up.</p>
<p>What I see all of this adding up to is while there may in fact be a genuine desire on the part of networks to branch out more and be more geek friendly; ultimately, they do so with all the insight and awareness of your average well intentioned grandmother. Yes, she loves you and has you in mind, but its still a hand knit reindeer wool sweater.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('365','Noble Bear'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('365','Noble Bear','&amp;#91;quote&amp;#93;I see your point about Heroes and Chuck. To me, the former showcases the interest of geek fascination portrayed dramatically, with a geek protagonist in the form of Hiro. Chuck is showing geek archtypes as part of it&acirc;€™s humor component. Laughing at us still. I&acirc;€™m sure it&acirc;€™s no coincidence one leads into the other.&amp;#91;\/quote&amp;#93;\r\n\r\nYes, that\'s a big part of it. One other thing I will add is that geeks value immersion and as pointed out in Fear the Boot ep 125 (where I introduce the best card game ever ;) )immersion is often made or broken in the details. For example, NBC is something of a cruel mistress in this regards; setting us up to accept the wildly impossible then casting our suspension of disbelief on the rocky crags with insipid, plot advancing inaccuracies.    \r\n\r\nMakes immersion:\r\nseemingly ordinary indiiduals have thier lives impacted by the emergance of metahuman abilities (Heroes)\r\n\r\nBreaks immersion:\r\nA macentosh G4 tower is dropped from a shelf roughly three feet off the ground, becomes irrevicably damaged (Chuck) \r\n\r\nMakes immersion:\r\nA vehicle produced by a major manufacturing company in a time of economic downturn, modified by a homland organization at a time when defense spending is hemorraging have together created a car that can dynamically alter its exterior and interior dimentions while human subjcts with in it are entirely unharmed. (Knight Rider)\r\n\r\nBreaks immersion:\r\nWithin one episode a cop who has missed out on the last ten years of technological innovations *correctly* concludes that he can shut down an entire computer network  by pouring coffie on a keyboard; on another occation enlists the help of an in-house geek (who\'s stated geek cred is that he still lives with his parents) to help him extract a code hidden in *level 10* of a PS2 copy of Prince of Persia: Sands of Time. (Life)\r\n\r\nI wish I were making that last one up.\r\n\r\nWhat I see all of this adding up to is while there may in fact be a genuine desire on the part of networks to branch out more and be more geek friendly; ultimately, they do so with all the insight and awareness of your average well intentioned grandmother. Yes, she loves you and has you in mind, but its still a hand knit reindeer wool sweater.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Da Dominus</title>
		<link>http://dadominion.com/blog/2008/12/02/for-nerds-about-nerds/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Da Dominus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point about Heroes and Chuck. To me, the former showcases the interest of geek fascination portrayed dramatically, with a geek protagonist in the form of Hiro. Chuck is showing geek archtypes as part of it's humor component. Laughing at us still. I'm sure it's no coincidence one leads into the other. 

"Fap" is getting added to &lt;a href="http://dadominion.com/blog/2008/10/16/da-dominary" rel="nofollow"&gt;da Dominary&lt;/a&gt; as the male counter point to Scratch'in your record. I like the onomatopoeiac nature of the term: "Fap, fap ,fap fap ..."  :D Your sponsorship of Alyson into the &lt;a href="http://diggsdominion.ning.com/forum/topics/2077622:Topic:3900?page=1&#038;commentId=2077622%3AComment%3A4502&#038;x=1#2077622Comment4502" rel="nofollow"&gt;Geek pantheon&lt;/a&gt; is approved, though I'd fap to Munn over Hannigan, but I'll discuss it more on the forum.&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('363','Da Dominus'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('363','Da Dominus','I see your point about Heroes and Chuck. To me, the former showcases the interest of geek fascination portrayed dramatically, with a geek protagonist in the form of Hiro. Chuck is showing geek archtypes as part of it\'s humor component. Laughing at us still. I\'m sure it\'s no coincidence one leads into the other. \r\n\r\n\&#34;Fap\&#34; is getting added to &#60;a href=\&#34;http:\/\/dadominion.com\/blog\/2008\/10\/16\/da-dominary\&#34; rel=\&#34;nofollow\&#34;&#62;da Dominary&#60;\/a&#62; as the male counter point to Scratch\'in your record. I like the onomatopoeiac nature of the term: \&#34;Fap, fap ,fap fap ...\&#34;  :D Your sponsorship of Alyson into the &#60;a href=\&#34;http:\/\/diggsdominion.ning.com\/forum\/topics\/2077622:Topic:3900?page=1&#38;commentId=2077622%3AComment%3A4502&#38;x=1#2077622Comment4502\&#34; rel=\&#34;nofollow\&#34;&#62;Geek pantheon&#60;\/a&#62; is approved, though I\'d fap to Munn over Hannigan, but I\'ll discuss it more on the forum.'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point about Heroes and Chuck. To me, the former showcases the interest of geek fascination portrayed dramatically, with a geek protagonist in the form of Hiro. Chuck is showing geek archtypes as part of it&#8217;s humor component. Laughing at us still. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s no coincidence one leads into the other. </p>
<p>&#8220;Fap&#8221; is getting added to <a href="http://dadominion.com/blog/2008/10/16/da-dominary">da Dominary</a> as the male counter point to Scratch&#8217;in your record. I like the onomatopoeiac nature of the term: &#8220;Fap, fap ,fap fap &#8230;&#8221;  <img src='http://dadominion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> Your sponsorship of Alyson into the <a href="http://diggsdominion.ning.com/forum/topics/2077622:Topic:3900?page=1&#038;commentId=2077622%3AComment%3A4502&#038;x=1#2077622Comment4502">Geek pantheon</a> is approved, though I&#8217;d fap to Munn over Hannigan, but I&#8217;ll discuss it more on the forum.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('363','Da Dominus'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('363','Da Dominus','I see your point about Heroes and Chuck. To me, the former showcases the interest of geek fascination portrayed dramatically, with a geek protagonist in the form of Hiro. Chuck is showing geek archtypes as part of it\'s humor component. Laughing at us still. I\'m sure it\'s no coincidence one leads into the other. \r\n\r\n\&quot;Fap\&quot; is getting added to &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/dadominion.com\/blog\/2008\/10\/16\/da-dominary\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;da Dominary&lt;\/a&gt; as the male counter point to Scratch\'in your record. I like the onomatopoeiac nature of the term: \&quot;Fap, fap ,fap fap ...\&quot;  :D Your sponsorship of Alyson into the &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/diggsdominion.ning.com\/forum\/topics\/2077622:Topic:3900?page=1&amp;commentId=2077622%3AComment%3A4502&amp;x=1#2077622Comment4502\&quot; rel=\&quot;\&quot;&gt;Geek pantheon&lt;\/a&gt; is approved, though I\'d fap to Munn over Hannigan, but I\'ll discuss it more on the forum.'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Noble Bear</title>
		<link>http://dadominion.com/blog/2008/12/02/for-nerds-about-nerds/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Noble Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*

Once more we are treated to yet another shallow pander, it's not even for us geeks, really. Even as anime is by J-town for J-town so that any interpretation of western culture is nearly unrecognizable, strained though the thick membrane of crack,
(&lt;a href="http://blog.japundit.com/archives/2008/06/05/8527/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Case in point:&lt;/a&gt;)

Even so, mainstream culture interpreting any subculture it is not party to for the entertainment of others in the mainstream become a hollow mockery of that which it depicts. Even when handled ostensibly with reverence, characters are two dimensional stereotypes, played for cheap laughs.

Lest I should be caught only complaining about the weather I will offer this solution: don't go there in the first place. 

Sure, I'd love to see more geek friendly television, but even those who claim to be dedicated to my cause don't get it; I don't want to fap to Olivia Munn, I want to fap to Allison Hannigan. (this is as good an excuse as any to reference &lt;a href="http://dadominion.com/blog/allowable-obscenity/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this onion video again&lt;/a&gt;)

As far as I'm concerned, Heroes has done more to advance geek causes than Chuck ever will. Well, Ira, I guess you weren't the man after all...&lt;div class="comment-remix-meta"&gt;&lt;a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('362','Noble Bear'); return false;"&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('362','Noble Bear','*sigh*\r\n\r\nOnce more we are treated to yet another shallow pander, it\'s not even for us geeks, really. Even as anime is by J-town for J-town so that any interpretation of western culture is nearly unrecognizable, strained though the thick membrane of crack,\r\n(&#60;a href=\&#34;http:\/\/blog.japundit.com\/archives\/2008\/06\/05\/8527\/\&#34; rel=\&#34;nofollow\&#34;&#62;Case in point:&#60;\/a&#62;)\r\n\r\nEven so, mainstream culture interpreting any subculture it is not party to for the entertainment of others in the mainstream become a hollow mockery of that which it depicts. Even when handled ostensibly with reverence, characters are two dimensional stereotypes, played for cheap laughs.\r\n\r\nLest I should be caught only complaining about the weather I will offer this solution: don\'t go there in the first place. \r\n\r\nSure, I\'d love to see more geek friendly television, but even those who claim to be dedicated to my cause don\'t get it; I don\'t want to fap to Olivia Munn, I want to fap to Allison Hannigan. (this is as good an excuse as any to reference &#60;a href=\&#34;http:\/\/dadominion.com\/blog\/allowable-obscenity\/\&#34; rel=\&#34;nofollow\&#34;&#62;this onion video again&#60;\/a&#62;)\r\n\r\nAs far as I\'m concerned, Heroes has done more to advance geek causes than Chuck ever will. Well, Ira, I guess you weren\'t the man after all...'); return false;"&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>Once more we are treated to yet another shallow pander, it&#8217;s not even for us geeks, really. Even as anime is by J-town for J-town so that any interpretation of western culture is nearly unrecognizable, strained though the thick membrane of crack,<br />
(<a href="http://blog.japundit.com/archives/2008/06/05/8527/">Case in point:</a>)</p>
<p>Even so, mainstream culture interpreting any subculture it is not party to for the entertainment of others in the mainstream become a hollow mockery of that which it depicts. Even when handled ostensibly with reverence, characters are two dimensional stereotypes, played for cheap laughs.</p>
<p>Lest I should be caught only complaining about the weather I will offer this solution: don&#8217;t go there in the first place. </p>
<p>Sure, I&#8217;d love to see more geek friendly television, but even those who claim to be dedicated to my cause don&#8217;t get it; I don&#8217;t want to fap to Olivia Munn, I want to fap to Allison Hannigan. (this is as good an excuse as any to reference <a href="http://dadominion.com/blog/allowable-obscenity/">this onion video again</a>)</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, Heroes has done more to advance geek causes than Chuck ever will. Well, Ira, I guess you weren&#8217;t the man after all&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('362','Noble Bear'); return false;">Reply</a>  - <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('362','Noble Bear','*sigh*\r\n\r\nOnce more we are treated to yet another shallow pander, it\'s not even for us geeks, really. Even as anime is by J-town for J-town so that any interpretation of western culture is nearly unrecognizable, strained though the thick membrane of crack,\r\n(&lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/blog.japundit.com\/archives\/2008\/06\/05\/8527\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Case in point:&lt;\/a&gt;)\r\n\r\nEven so, mainstream culture interpreting any subculture it is not party to for the entertainment of others in the mainstream become a hollow mockery of that which it depicts. Even when handled ostensibly with reverence, characters are two dimensional stereotypes, played for cheap laughs.\r\n\r\nLest I should be caught only complaining about the weather I will offer this solution: don\'t go there in the first place. \r\n\r\nSure, I\'d love to see more geek friendly television, but even those who claim to be dedicated to my cause don\'t get it; I don\'t want to fap to Olivia Munn, I want to fap to Allison Hannigan. (this is as good an excuse as any to reference &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/dadominion.com\/blog\/allowable-obscenity\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;\&quot;&gt;this onion video again&lt;\/a&gt;)\r\n\r\nAs far as I\'m concerned, Heroes has done more to advance geek causes than Chuck ever will. Well, Ira, I guess you weren\'t the man after all...'); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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